March 15, 2009
Obama's H.R.1388, "The Give Act" to Reform the National Service Laws
Obama Requires American's to SERVE, H.R.1388, "The Give Act" to reform the National Service Laws
HR 1388, will hit the House floor on Tuesday.It is called the Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act (The Give Act.) The House is scheduled to Rule this week. Sponsored by Democrat Representative Carolyn McCarthy (NY), Education and Labor Committee. The objective is to reauthorize and reform the national service laws.
Democrat Rep. McCarthy is sponsoring the bill with 25 co-sponsors, ALL Democrats, including Charlie Rangel.
You can CLICK HERE......The Library of Congress Thomas
From clicking on the link above: ( these are just a few of the things)
* Government the right to require individuals to give 3 years service under the guise of “volunteer” service
* It talks about uniforms and “camps.” They revise the word “camps” and call it “campus.” There is language about Seniors and Community organizations.
* “leverage Federal investments to increase State, local, business, and philanthropic resources to address national and local challenges
* encourage national service efforts to address pressing national challenges, such as improving education for low-income students, increasing energy conservation, and improving the health, well-being, and economic opportunities of the neediest individuals in the Nation;
* expand and strengthen service-learning programs through year-round opportunities, including during the summer months, to improve the education of children and youth and to maximize the benefits of national and community service, in order to renew the ethic of civic responsibility and the spirit of community to children and youth throughout the United States;
* increase service opportunities for our Nation's retiring professionals
* encourage members of the Baby Boom generation to partake in service opportunities
* Civilian Community Corps shall be called the "National Civilian Community Corps"
* the Director determines appropriate "Uniforms"
**** Take note of the Miscellaneous Section (Title VI) of the Bill. Very Strange!!!
From the Misc. section, #6104: (6) Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds.
Rep Altmire, Jason [PA-4] - 3/12/2009
Rep Andrews, Robert E. [NJ-1] - 3/9/2009
Rep Clarke, Yvette D. [NY-11] - 3/12/2009
Rep Courtney, Joe [CT-2] - 3/9/2009
Rep Fattah, Chaka [PA-2] - 3/12/2009
Rep Grijalva, Raul M. [AZ-7] - 3/9/2009
Rep Hare, Phil [IL-17] - 3/9/2009
Rep Hinojosa, Ruben [TX-15] - 3/9/2009
Rep Hirono, Mazie K. [HI-2] - 3/9/2009
Rep Holt, Rush D. [NJ-12] - 3/12/2009
Rep Kildee, Dale E. [MI-5] - 3/9/2009
Rep Klein, Ron [FL-22] - 3/12/2009
Rep Kucinich, Dennis J. [OH-10] - 3/12/2009
Rep Maloney, Carolyn B. [NY-14] - 3/12/2009
Rep Miller, George [CA-7] - 3/9/2009
Rep Payne, Donald M. [NJ-10] - 3/12/2009
Rep Polis, Jared [CO-2] - 3/9/2009
Rep Rangel, Charles B. [NY-15] - 3/12/2009
Rep Sablan, Gregorio [MP] - 3/9/2009
Rep Sestak, Joe [PA-7] - 3/9/2009
Rep Shea-Porter, Carol [NH-1] - 3/12/2009
Rep Tonko, Paul D. [NY-21] - 3/9/2009
Rep Van Hollen, Chris [MD-8] - 3/12/2009
Rep Welch, Peter [VT] - 3/12/2009
Rep Woolsey, Lynn C. [CA-6] - 3/12/2009
Part of Title VI says:
SEC. 6107. POWERS OF COMMISSION.
(a) Hearings and Sessions- The Commission may, for the purpose of carrying out this title, hold public hearings, sit and act at times and places, take testimony, and receive evidence as the Commission considers appropriate.
b) Powers of Members and Agents- Any member or agent of the Commission may, if authorized by the Commission, take any action which the Commission is authorized to take by this section.
(c) Obtaining Official Data- Upon request of the Chairperson, the head of any department or agency shall furnish information to the Commission that the Commission deems necessary to enable it to carry out this title.
(d) Physical Facilities and Equipment- The Architect of the Capitol, in consultation with the appropriate entities in the legislative branch, shall locate and provide suitable facilities and equipment for the operation of the Commission on a nonreimbursable basis.
Wild Thing's comment.........
Mandatory military service is practiced in Israel and Switzerland and maybe some other countries I am not aware of. But that is military and different then what Obama has planned.
If I get this right he wants the regular military as we know it but to pump up a civilian one and make them as he said as powerful or MORE powerful then our military. THAT is alarming to me. And their desire to change the words of Camp to Campus is a clear indication that they are trying to camoflauge their intentions.
"The first step in community organization is community disorganization. The disruption of the present organization is the first step toward community organization. Present arrangements must be disorganized if they are to be displace by new patterns.... All change means disorganization of the old and organization of the new." -Saul Alinsky,p.116, Rules for Radicals
From Obama's campaign speech's.
‘My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you’ll join with me as we try to change it."- Barrack Obama
"We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded." -Obama
"People of all ages, stations, and skills will be asked to serve."- Obama
Michelle Obama said:
"Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your divisions. That you push yourselves to be better. And that you engage. Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual, uninvolved, uninformed."
The Second American Revolution, by Thomas Paine, author of "Common Sense"
Posted by Wild Thing at March 15, 2009 05:55 AM
If it's MANDATORY, then it isn't volunteer anymore. I don't like the idea that we MUST do something in order to CHANGE ourselves. If someone wants to volunteer, that's fine by me, but it has to be your decision, not the governments. If the government does everything for you then you never get to experience the highs and lows of choosing for yourself. Even Star Trek hinted at this, especially in the episode with Melvin Belli playing an evil angel--a kid chose vanilla ice cream with coconut topping and was disappointed when they were both white. You have to be able to have that sense of happiness and disappointment. You have to take the good and the bad and you can't let someone else dictate terms to you. We have to stand for ourselves someday or we'll never walk on our own. Obama is wrong about making this mandatory. My soon to be 19 year old daughter is scared to death that she'll be "forced" into a life of some kind of slavery in some goon squad somewhere in America and be lost forever.
Posted by: Lynn at March 15, 2009 07:01 AM
We're witnessing the beginning of the history of early Nazi Germany repeating itself. Soon, they'll roll out the Obama Youth Corps. Hitler focused the attention of Germany against the Jews. Who will Obama focus the attention of the nation against? Will it be Conservatives? After all, his staff has been entirely focused on Rush Limbaugh, one of the leading Conservatives in America.
Posted by: BobF at March 15, 2009 08:41 AM
I looked for the punishment phase but couldn't find anything. I am sure that if you refuse to participate there will be some penalty.
-----I refuse to participate in this Anti-American all time communist agenda. (period)---
Which means I am probably going to jail. Screw them.
Posted by: Mark at March 15, 2009 08:52 AM
I am beginning to think all this controversy is designed to promote riot and then marshall law. Then we could see the Constitution completely thrown out and Barry Husein Hitler Obama in power for evah.
No wonder so many people say they have that feeling of dread. This won't help.
Posted by: Eden at March 15, 2009 09:32 AM
Hitler Jugend. Nothing more, nothing less.
But for seniors? GMAFB. I'm 54 heading toward 55. And just as the retired designation states, I no longer owe any "service" to anyone. Crude, yes. Correct, yes.
Civic duty is another ting we all must deal with. I have served on a jury. No problem with that, at all. It is part of the way our legal system works. A very important part of it.
When the above listed communists have decided to aid the obambozo in making something most of us do just because we choose to mandatory, something is not right. And one of those on that list is a retired 3 star admiral. That being Joe Sestak of Pennsylvania. Makes one go hmmmmmmmmm...... at least this Old Retired Petty Officer.
So, they are cordially invited to take HR 1388 and drive it where the sun doesn't shine, with a spike maul.
Posted by: Glenn Cassel AMH1(AW) USN RET at March 15, 2009 09:39 AM
Can anyone say 'Police State'? It's time for a political revolt!!!
Posted by: Jack at March 15, 2009 11:26 AM
I put my marriage of 52 years to the acid test last night. Although I had mentioned PC Free Zone to the wife she really didn't know what it is about. I showed her the most recent posts that I have commented on and let her read my comments and Chrissie's warm words to me. Then I told her that it might all get me in a Federal Prison or Concentration camp. She surprised me by taking it as something that needed to be done. She said, "Well, that Wild Thing lady will be there too." I said, "Yeah, and I'll get to meet her husband."
Jeff Cooper said something like "Not to merely survive, but to prevail." Bring it on!
Posted by: horace at March 15, 2009 11:38 AM
If I am not mistaken the sponser of this bill, Carolyn McCarthy, is a rabid anti-gunner. She would love to remove the Second Amendment from existence.
Could this Give Act be the mother of groups going door to door enforcing socialist rules, regulations and bans enacted by Obama and the Democrat Congress? I am thinking of the video of the young Black men marching into a room and praising Obama for their motivation.
Involuntary or not, I do not want a government mandated civilian service corps. These exist in places like Cuba and North Korea. This is Marxism folks, by a man in office who is a Marxist. His comrades in Congress are already proposing legislation to extend the terms of the presidency.
This is very scary. It appears Obama and his bunch would like to follow the blueprints of FDR. Create another depression to break the country down, then create all kinds of government programs that give more power to the govt. In the meantime a heroic leader(FDR, Obama) is created and reelected over and over.
Posted by: TomR at March 15, 2009 12:29 PM
During my research paper on Nero last week - the fifth Caesar of Rome - I realized that Obamessiah has a Caligulan & Nero type aura of himself - like a Roman god. Do not laugh! This has a good ending. After the Rome - Parthian War ended, the Roman Senate sentenced Nero to death, and the Roman military agreed! Nero stabbed himself in the throat with his dagger... How ROMANtic, eh?
"HAIL CAESAR OBAMESSIAH!"
Posted by: darthcrUSAderworldtour07 at March 15, 2009 12:45 PM
Hi all. I would like to think that this insanity will never pass but with all the other crap flying, it might.
If it happens, I'll be the first in Hawaii to join the armed security force. I'll also be the first whistleblower. And then the first to sue it into oblivion.
This has to end while we have a country.
Oh, did you notice the director will choose the uniforms? I bet the shirts are brown.
Posted by: navycopjoe at March 15, 2009 01:30 PM
"Could this Give Act be the mother of groups going door to door enforcing socialist rules, regulations and bans enacted by Obama..."-absolutely.I have an image of young thugs traversing neighborhood streets pounding on doors demanding entry to 'inspect" our homes-where is your thermostat set? ,what is in your refrigerator?,what firearms do you own?-let me inspect your domicile to confirm your statement. And as far as penalties go, non-particiption in "Obama korps' will result in denial of benefits,at least in the beginning. Much as young men who fail to register for Selective Service (like Obama) will be denied Educational loans & grants ,young people will be denied college benefits in an environment of "universal" College attendance.(few if any will be able to afford the inflated tuitions without government benefits) In other words-low employment potential like the high-school dropouts of today. And with the coming government health-care monopoly, will the non-participants be ineligable for ANY health care. And will the "retired" citizens who refuse to conform forfeit social security benefits, their pensions (which will be seized by the government), health care etc. ? Be afraid,be very afraid....
Posted by: willy at March 15, 2009 02:03 PM
Well, I for one will not live in fear. No one is going to take my liberty away, they'd have to kill me to do that. But a life lived in fear is no life at all.
Like Glenn Beck says, you are not alone. This administration's popularity is going to nose dive by the 2010 elections, our next best chance to make some personnel changes.
Posted by: Eden at March 15, 2009 05:07 PM
PS...Have you been over to Gretawire lately and seen how pissed off she is at all this government BS? lol...she's on fire!
Posted by: Eden at March 15, 2009 05:08 PM
Well I can only Imagine the outrage this will cause when Glenn Beck Puts it out there and I don't have to call Rep. Paul or Sen. Cornyn or Hutchison because I know already they'll vote against this. Though I should call and even bring up my Military Service and say something like "this is not what all the Veterans in my Family fought for and it isn't what I'll be fighting for" or something like that. Never hurts to do that. I was listening to Michael Savage the other night and he was saying that if the Jews had shot the gestapo officers and not given their guns and gone with them the holocaust and maybe even hitler's rise to power and a major theater of WWII would have never happened. We have far more Firearms here in the United States and Even More Firearms here in Texas including more AR-15'S, and even more .50 Caliber Rifles etc., Y'all thinking what I'm thinking?
COME AND TAKE IT!!!
P.S. Remember what I said about Texans and The U.S. Military? We for the most part don't put up with this shit.
Posted by: JohnE PFC U.S. Army at March 15, 2009 06:18 PM
Oh this is funny Stuff!!!
Posted by: JohnE PFC U.S. Army at March 15, 2009 06:23 PM
Lynn, I agree so much.
There is so much happening and so much of it I don't understand. Like this post today I had to read the links at the site and try to figure out exactly what it is about. I knew it was bad but just how bad and what did they plan on doing.
My hope and prayer is the republicans and the dems that do love America if they do will stop this insanity.
Posted by: Wild Thing at March 15, 2009 07:04 PM
BobF., yes, I bet they keep going after Rush and then like you said start in bashing conservatives. They have no worries with rino's since they show weakness, but conservatives we are the ones that hold strong, are loyal like I like to say in a foxhole. I tend to view things and people by this, if I would want them in a foxhole with me. Rino's never measure up, not even a little. So yes, Obama will have to make us the really bad guys, people that are in his way so to speak.
We all need to write our politicians and tell them we know about this and not to give in on this.
Posted by: Wild Thing at March 15, 2009 07:09 PM
Mark, I wrote to all the politicians that would accept an email, mostly only in my State. There are some that accept emails from outside States not many though. This has to be voted down and not done in secret.
I agree with you, I will say no too.
Posted by: Wild Thing at March 15, 2009 07:11 PM
Edenn I agree, this is not going to help. This morning on all the Sunday morning political talk shows it was the first time I saw the Republicans actully say they were not happy with Obama and that he was failiing at the economy and also people were outraged. Yess we are outraged. Always before these same Republcians would kiss up about Obama and go on and on what a great speaker he was, they did not do that today.
I think they see they have to start to speak up or America will be lost.
Posted by: Wild Thing at March 15, 2009 07:14 PM
Glenn Cassel AMH1(AW) USN RET, Amen to what you said. Thanks for the information about Joe Sestak, I had no idea.
Posted by: Wild Thing at March 15, 2009 07:17 PM
Jack, I agree, if our politicans do not finally speak up, get mad, get fed up and see this is really and truly their last chance this year to take a stand....they will have no chance to do it later on. This fight has to be every day, every hill, every BILL that is attempted to be put through. It can't be done down the road in a half way thing.
Posted by: Wild Thing at March 15, 2009 07:20 PM
Horace, that is great, thank you for sharing about your wife and what happened. Please tell her thank you too.
We all love America so much and are all in this together.
My prayer is this horrible this that this post is about will be stopped. But just in case I want us all to know what is happening.
God bless you both. I would love to meet both of you one day too and so would Nicholas.
Posted by: Wild Thing at March 15, 2009 07:26 PM
Tom, your so right.
This is nothing to mess with and I pray with all my heart they stop it. I wrote to everyone I could to vote no on this. I hope they post about this at more blogs so the word gets out and more people write to their politicians.
Obama needs to learn he works for us, not George Soros and we have a voice even if he does not like to hear a loud booming NO way.
Posted by: Wild Thing at March 15, 2009 07:30 PM
Darth, that is really interesting. Thank you so much for sharing about that. Amazing!
Posted by: Wild Thing at March 15, 2009 07:32 PM
navycopjoe, Hi good to see you.
See that is exactly the thing, at first I thought this is tin foil hat stuff. But when I look at the speech's from Obama, that book that Rahm wrote called, "The Plan", and so many of the things Obama has already done and wants to do. Things he even lists at the White House website and he had at his campaign site. It all fits right in so I believe he at least will try to do what this post is about.
I do feel though he can be stopped but it has to be where the Republicans get out and talk about it and show disgust and anger and then vote against it. I also believe most of the public would hate this if they knew what it really is about.
Posted by: Wild Thing at March 15, 2009 07:36 PM
Willy, thannk you, all that could happen, you pointed out some very important things this would mean.
Posted by: Wild Thing at March 15, 2009 07:41 PM
Eden, thanks for the heads up about over at Greta's.
Eden I agree too I am NOT going to live in fear, like others have said in their comments, this is scary, but no one is afraid and cowering in fear. We all will fight back if this happens I am sure, at least do what we can to keep it from happening.
Posted by: Wild Thing at March 15, 2009 07:46 PM
JohnE PFC U.S. Army, I LOVE Texas!!!!
"Remember what I said about Texans and The U.S. Military? We for the most part don't put up with this shit."
Posted by: Wild Thing at March 15, 2009 07:50 PM
JohnE PFC U.S. Army, hahaha that was good!
Posted by: Wild Thing at March 15, 2009 07:51 PM
Hmmm. The definition of “Veteran” under this act excludes Reservists of all services, the National Guard components and the Marine Corps entirely.
Posted by: RTO Trainer at March 16, 2009 07:43 PM
I sent the following to my congressional rep
Dear Mr, Cardoza;
First I wish to thank you for your continued support of the second amendment. It is what got you my vote last election. And I'm an independent conservative.
To put it bluntly. I am infuriated. It will be a cold day in hell before a man I didn't vote for and most emphatically do not support will ever put my kid in a re-education camp. I am fully aware of what I believe is going on behind the scenes, the socialist deception.
A civilian draft, nothing more and nothing less, full of snitches and forced laborers. The Hitlerjugend. They fought a military draft unless it offered a political means of attacking the previous administration.
I want no part of this.........
I feel my anger mounting, I just wanted you to know and thanks again for your past support on amendment two.
I took at oath once, long ago...
To preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
Not a man
Or a government
But the Constitution.
I am fed up!!!!!!
Sincerely; an irate constitutient
Posted by: caveman82952 at March 16, 2009 08:38 PM
Sounds even more like the Pioneers and Young Leninists. Penalties? Judging by the experience of the USSR, Cuba and such places, those who decline to participate will be denied federal benefits including education (even if you pay for it yourself), perhaps licenses, certainly firearms licenses, unemployment compensation, welfare, the universal healthcare which will become the only form of medical care available, perhaps the right to vote, passports, and other things I cannot think of right now. If there are shortages, that could include gasoline and/or even food. Refusers will become "un-people", and enemies of the state. I'm game. If they try to take me, I will give them such a lesson in passive resistance, sabotage, and deliberate misunderstanding, they will rue the day they heard of me.
Posted by: Rurik at March 16, 2009 10:00 PM
This is more in your face destruction of the United States...the illegal White House occupant knows that even the brain-dead leftist will discover his socialist/communist-lite elite plan soon. His goal is to build a worshiping, mind-numbed, hand-out bunch of voters for 2012...
The betraying power-brokers in Washington, D.C. can kiss my a.. and get ready for the "massed force" peoples movement to reverse the incestuous political system......Paul Revere is nearly finished with new shoes on his horse.......
Posted by: Harry Riley at March 16, 2009 11:27 PM
Having lived 50+ years in the greatest country to ever exist on this planet, For the first time in my life I fear tomorrow for the sake of my children and grandchildren. Remember the duck and cover drills in grade school? The Cuban Missile Crisis? These were child's-play compared to the jackbooted gestapo teh one intends to use to instill fear and misery in the hearts of all who are not "worthy". Who's going to lay down and be obedient? WHO AIN'T???
SHEEPDOGS: The time is at hand.
Posted by: FM Woods at March 17, 2009 01:02 AM
We need to organize a ten million citizen march on Washington. Armed and ready to take a bullet (probably the cops not one of our own). We need a new citizens force, united for freedom, liberty and justice. Let's aim for mid May and find a way, maybe tea parties to get the organization and transport arranged.
Vets wear all decorations. Civilians partner with your VFW AmerLegion guys.
Posted by: Gene Anselm at March 17, 2009 02:09 AM
Can you imagine being expected to send your little girl into these youth camp with known gang members....ohhhhh I DO NOT THINK SO. No wonder the states are going after the 10th ammendment wanting sovereignty. They will have civil unrest over this ... for sure!
Posted by: CalifSunshine at March 17, 2009 08:04 AM
OMG! Someone, do something, please!!!!!!!!
Posted by: caroline at March 17, 2009 11:15 PM
"But for seniors? GMAFB. I'm 54 heading toward 55. And just as the retired designation states, I no longer owe any "service" to anyone. Crude, yes. Correct, yes."
In the original proposal for this, which was on the Obama campaign web site, the seniors who participated would receive special perks, like more access to health insurance, and something else, which I forget.
Add this to their ideas of nationalized health care, also on the campaign site, and it was easy for me to see even then that in their plans, hose elders who went along with the program would get better medical care.
And that's just regarding seniors. Their plans for our children are positively chilling.
People laughed at me when I pointed out all this and more on the campaign website. They thought it meant nothing. Now Obama and some Democrats in Congress are trying to quickly pass it into law.
And STILL most Americans aren't aware of it, and - if their response to the campaign web site was any indication - wouldn't believe it if they were.
I will rot in jail before I lift a finger for any of this, and will encourage everyone else, including my children, to do the same.
Whether or not Michelle thinks her husband has some right to make me work for him, or to demand that I change to suit him.
Posted by: Alana at March 18, 2009 12:13 PM
I wonder if a later amendment to this, after it somehow miraculously passes the senate, Herr President's desk, and Supreme Court scrutiny, will contain provisions for a mark of some sort...you know, on the back of the right hand, or the forehead...to be utilized for buying and selling.
I wonder. Eyes open.
Posted by: Taqiyyotomist at March 21, 2009 09:54 AM
I will be deep in the cold ground before "they" ever come and conscript my children for "Dear Leader's" secret snitch force!
Obama's rise to power is not all his doing. There are forces at work behind him trying to mold and shape our country to suit their own idealogies. The "mark" is not far behind.
Posted by: Art at March 24, 2009 08:16 AM