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May 13, 2011

RINO John McCain Devoted Fan Of Obama Says "said "waterboarding did not help get bin Laden amounted to a mock execution”

“It was not torture, or cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment of detainees that got us the major leads that ultimately enabled our intelligence community to find Osama bin Laden,” McCain said in a stirring 22-minute speech from the Senate floor.

McCain called the techniques -- implemented by CIA interrogators during the George W. Bush administration and later barred by President Obama -- “indisputably torture,” and said waterboarding amounted to a “mock execution.”

“I do not believe they are necessary to our success in our war against terrorists, as the advocates of these techniques claim they are,” he said

Then he also write about his opinion in the Washington Post. You know just to make sure the entire world hears his BS and lies. ~ Wild Thing

Bin Laden’s death and the debate over torture

Washington Post

by John McCain

Former attorney general Michael Mukasey recently claimed that “the intelligence that led to bin Laden . . . began with a disclosure from Khalid Sheik Mohammed, who broke like a dam under the pressure of harsh interrogation techniques that included waterboarding. He loosed a torrent of information — including eventually the nickname of a trusted courier of bin Laden.” That is false.

I asked CIA Director Leon Panetta for the facts, and he told me the following: The trail to bin Laden did not begin with a disclosure from Khalid Sheik Mohammed, who was waterboarded 183 times. The first mention of Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti — the nickname of the al-Qaeda courier who ultimately led us to bin Laden — as well as a description of him as an important member of al-Qaeda, came from a detainee held in another country, who we believe was not tortured. None of the three detainees who were waterboarded provided Abu Ahmed’s real name, his whereabouts or an accurate description of his role in al-Qaeda.

In fact, the use of “enhanced interrogation techniques” on Khalid Sheik Mohammed produced false and misleading information. He specifically told his interrogators that Abu Ahmed had moved to Peshawar, got married and ceased his role as an al-Qaeda facilitator — none of which was true. According to the staff of the Senate intelligence committee, the best intelligence gained from a CIA detainee — information describing Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti’s real role in al-Qaeda and his true relationship to bin Laden — was obtained through standard, noncoercive means.

I know from personal experience that the abuse of prisoners sometimes produces good intelligence but often produces bad intelligence because under torture a person will say anything he thinks his captors want to hear — true or false — if he believes it will relieve his suffering. Often, information provided to stop the torture is deliberately misleading.

Mistreatment of enemy prisoners endangers our own troops, who might someday be held captive. While some enemies, and al-Qaeda surely, will never be bound by the principle of reciprocity, we should have concern for those Americans captured by more conventional enemies, if not in this war then in the next.

Though it took a decade to find bin Laden, there is one consolation for his long evasion of justice: He lived long enough to witness what some are calling the Arab Spring, the complete repudiation of his violent ideology.

As we debate how the United States can best influence the course of the Arab Spring, can’t we all agree that the most obvious thing we can do is stand as an example of a nation that holds an individual’s human rights as superior to the will of the majority or the wishes of government? Individuals might forfeit their life as punishment for breaking laws, but even then, as recognized in our Constitution’s prohibition of cruel and unusual punishment, they are still entitled to respect for their basic human dignity, even if they have denied that respect to others.

All of these arguments have the force of right, but they are beside the most important point. Ultimately, this is more than a utilitarian debate. This is a moral debate. It is about who we are.

I don’t mourn the loss of any terrorist’s life. What I do mourn is what we lose when by official policy or official neglect we confuse or encourage those who fight this war for us to forget that best sense of ourselves. Through the violence, chaos and heartache of war, through deprivation and cruelty and loss, we are always Americans, and different, stronger and better than those who would destroy us.

Wild Thing's comment........

John McCain should take his daughter and wife and retire all their mouths for good. He is gift that keeps on giving for democrats.

I just don't understand how AZ. can keep electing this guy.

Posted by Wild Thing at May 13, 2011 01:47 AM


Of all the people, you would think McCain would know best. He suffers from the effects of the torture he received while a POW in Vietnam. Every person that was waterboarded was in perfect health during the waterboarding and after. They suffered no ill effects from the waterboarding and any "fears" they had during the procedure ended the moment the waterboarding stopped.

On the other hand, so far every American GI who's been captured by Islamists has been tortured, killed, and mutilated. Norman identification methods used by the military for decades were unable to identify the bodies so DNA had to be used. Why is McCain and others in this country like Obama and Holder worried about Islamic terrorists and not our military?

Posted by: BobF at May 13, 2011 07:39 AM

Has McCain goine completely sinile ? Leone Pinetta, CIA chief has already stated, they used Waterboarding to help find obama. It is open anyone can find it. What is Wrong with McCain, that Retirement wouldn't help.

Posted by: Mark at May 13, 2011 02:52 PM

McStain is another left winger who needs to have his butt kicked out of the senate. What were Arizonans thinking when they re-up'd him?

Posted by: Eddie (Enemy of the State) at May 13, 2011 07:15 PM

The big question is how did the Republican Party buy into damaged goods like McCain in 2008. Perhaps why is a train wreck like Romney even listed as a possible.

Posted by: Avitar at May 14, 2011 12:18 AM

Thank you everyone so much.

Avitar, ditto all you said and about Mitt too.

Posted by: Wild Thing at May 14, 2011 03:04 AM

.. REAL TORTURE: make the captives look at those "naked" pictures of Meghan McCain.. EWWW!!..they will be more than ready to talk...

Posted by: Willy at May 14, 2011 08:08 AM