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June 29, 2009

'Kenyan Birth Certificate' Remains eBay Mystery

'Kenyan birth certificate' remains eBay mystery

Investigator who traveled to Africa 'skeptical' document is real deal

How much would a genuine copy of President Obama's birth certificate – from a hospital in Mombasa, Kenya – be worth on the open market?

One eBay seller, known to the public only as "colmado_naranja," attempted to find out, only to be shot down by the auction website's administrators … at least four times.

As WND reported, colmado_naranja alleged that he had been traveling in Kenya, where natives boasted that Barack Obama II was, indeed, born in the Coast Provincial Hospital in Mombasa at 7:24 p.m. on Aug. 4, 1961, which correlates with speculation that has existed over President Obama's birthplace since even prior to his election.

The eBay seller, with a flawless track record of dozens of sales on the auction website, also claimed that he was able to obtain a genuine copy of Obama's Kenyan birth certificate and posted it for sale online, with an opening bid of $1,000 and a "buy it now" price of $1 million.

As WND reported, however, the auction was taken down again and again. Even after WND posted a story on it yesterday, including the eBay seller's explanation for why the auction was allegedly scrubbed by eBay administrators, a page offering the birth certificate for sale appeared yet a fourth time … only to disappear yet a fourth time.

And while repeated contacts have been made with colmado_naranja, the validity of his claims – as well as the document – remain a mystery, for the seller has refused to allow the document to be seen or photographed.

In the original listing, colmado_naranja explained, "I am not posting any photos of the birth certificate here on eBay. I have not seen this birth certificate anywhere on the Internet, to post it here on eBay would lead to a flood of facsimiles on the Internet. This would inadvertently decrease the value of the certificate as well."

At least one investigator, who has traveled to Africa and sought the birth certificate from the very same hospital, however, told WND he remains "skeptical" of the eBay auction's claims.

WND's senior staff writer, Jerome Corsi, traveled to Kenya in 2008 to look into Obama's past and remaining ties to the nation.

While there, however, immigration authorities detained Corsi and his publicist – holding them under armed guard and without food – to prevent Corsi from holding a news conference revealing what he had discovered, eventually requiring thousands of dollars in bribes to set the writer free.

Corsi told WND that despite contacts in government offices, the help of others and even the offer of financial reward, the Coast Provincial Hospital in Mombasa would not confirm Obama's birth there nor provide access to records.
"When I was there, I tried to get records from that hospital, but I couldn't do it," Corsi said. "The hospital either had no records or wouldn't release them.
"That's what makes me skeptical," Corsi continued. "How did [colmado_naranja] get the birth certificate, if it's real?"

Corsi wouldn't rule out the possibility that the eBay seller may have somehow obtained a genuine document, but stated only that his efforts in Kenya proved fruitless.

Wild Thing's comment.......

What if Obama decided to sue him, then the “real” Hawaii Birth Certificate would be shown or requested in Discovery. Just an idea and I have no clue about legel stuff.

I bet Obama's people had E-Bay take off the add each time.

Look at this too.....these are some other things Mark has sent me that I have posted here, but seeing them all together it is even more noticable.....and the same conclusion...... Obama is a liar, a fake and our Constitution isi being totally ignored.

We won't give up !!! Nope!

Obama's Senate efforts to airbrush his past were augmented by his top Intelligence Advisor in March 2008. Obama's Intelligence Adviser Involved in Security Breach. Obama’s top terrorism and intelligence adviser, John O. Brennan, heads a firm that was cited in March [2008] for breaching sensitive files in the State Department’s passport office, according to a State Department Inspector General’s report released this past July. The security breach, first reported by the Washington Times and later confirmed by State Department spokesman Sean McCormack, involved a contract employee of Brennan’s firm, The Analysis Corp., which has earned millions of dollars providing intelligence-related consulting services to federal agencies and private companies. During a State Department briefing on March 21, 2008, McCormack confirmed that the contractor had accessed the passport files of presidential candidates Barack Obama, Hillary Rodham Clinton, and John McCain, and that the inspector general had launched an investigation. Sources who tracked the investigation tell Newsmax that the main target of the breach was the Obama passport file, and that the contractor accessed the file in order to “cauterize” the records of potentially embarrassing information.

Obama's own flacks deny that obama was born in Kenya but do acknowledge that he had a dual citizenship up until 1982

.......from obama's own site by way of fightthesmears on his dual citizenship at birth

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”(Someone will want to cache the above web page because it will be taken down eventually.)

Here is the problem with fighthesmears narrative: We already have recorded that Obama's wife Michellle said Obama's mother was "very young and very single" when obama was born. British law at the time of obama's birth only gave citizenship from the father to the son in the case that the father is married to the mother:ie the son is legitimate. See wikipedia 2.4.3 Since obama's parents were NOT married -- how did obama get his British/Kenyancitizenship? Its not unreasonable to think that he got his British/Kenyan because he was born there--and not because of his parentage. Interestingly, recently both WorldNetDaily and DailyKos have reported that a copy of Obamas Kenyan Birth Certificate is on sale at ebay by an accredited seller.Once again, Just one piece of evidence could easily be dismissed. It is the accumulation of evidence that is troubling.

It is well established that Obama did travel to Indonesia and Pakistan in 1981. In a tape of his speech at this April 6, 2008 San Francisco Fundraiser, Obama discloses his trip to Pakistan (40:17) when he was in college. On what passport did he travel?

A last arguement for baraks people might be that of course the Kenyans would have an interest in claiming that obama was a "son of the soil" both as a matter of pride and as a matter of bucks coming their way.

However, if Obama was not born in Kenya -- then why wouldn't Obama release his original long form birth certificate. Instead of just releasing his long form birth certificate he has paid his lawyers 1 million dollars from campaign contributions since Sept 08 to squash the suits brought on the issue. On top of that according to the LA Times since the election -- the Kenyans feel that Obama has gone out of his way to snub/ignore/distance-himself them. The Kenyans are putting up reasons like perhaps they are insufficiently perfected for him to notice them--but here in the USA we have seen Obama throw a number of embarrasing people from his past under the bus.

Les Kinsolving asked the Presidential Press Secretary Gibbs to release the long form birth certificate. The press secretary suggested mockingly that the copy of the short form birth certificate supplied online is Obama's long form birth certificate. Not so. See the press conference out take here.

The White House 'dialogue' site has to be scrubbed regularly because of long form birth certificate eligibility posts. Rush Limbaugh has said now several times on his radio show on 6/10/09: "What do God and Obama have in commen? (Answer) Neither have birth certificates."

....Thank you Mark for sending this to me.

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Posted by Wild Thing at June 29, 2009 05:40 PM


To me, a certificate of live Birth, means just that a baby was born alive. Another thought, if the mother jetted from Kenya the day after the birth to Hawaii, they would issue a Certificate of Live Birth as opposed to a Birth Certificate.

My wife just thought of something, Obama's mother may not even have been in a hospital. In 1960 Kenya was very much a third world country the baby could have been born at the grand mother's house of someone elses and of course 'Grandma' would be present. Then the next day she went to Hawaii.

In the States, however, in the 60's, the mother stayed 4-5 days after giving birth, today only 24 hours providing no complications.

Pat Boones analogy on this is so very plausible.

Posted by: Mark at June 29, 2009 06:11 PM

Interesting dillema!!! When were parochial registrations replaced with civil registrations? It seems some states started Voluntary civil registrations in 1867. Not many people were willing to pay the 20 cents to register a child if they didn't have to. It was only an entry into a large book, not paper certificates. Some states started keeping the records in the early 1900s. In the Southwest and Deep South, you'll be lucky to find birth records kept before 1935. Could it have been pushed by the advent of Social Security? Mandatory registration in the US didn't happen until WWII. It was about that time that paper certificates were issued to doctors and midwives to fill out, sign and return to the County, I have both of mine as well as the certified birth certificate. It also coincided with a number of Alien Registration laws.
Growin' up, I've witnessed birthings by migrants in the fields of harvest, no midwives there or doctors. How about those births in the village's of SE Asia, in the thatched hut or on the paddy dike? Now back to Obama, if he was legitimate he'd proudly display his birth certificate. Honkey Granny went as ashes to the sea by Obama's hand, Jerome Corsi was kicked out of Kenya for asking questions. Every time there has been smoke there has been fire. It was a passport requirement in '85 when I applied for one to got to Jakarta, no copies only the certified one that I had to order. So Obama can clear up some mysteries if only he displays either document. Could it be that the State of Hawaii doesn't have a certifiable birth certificate? Hmmn, on second thought we'll probably see John Kerry's original DD214 first.

Posted by: Jack at June 29, 2009 07:17 PM

Mark, thanks for that from your wife.
Yes what Pat Boone wrote gets closer
to what might be so far.

Posted by: Wild Thing at June 29, 2009 11:51 PM

Jack, interesting,and pointing out those
born in the villages too.
I have been wondering that too about Hawaii.
They may not have it at all. Soros would have
the funding to pay off anything that had to
be silenced for most people.

Posted by: Wild Thing at June 29, 2009 11:57 PM

Sorry about mucking up the page again Chrissie, but this was too good to pass up.

Posted by: Jack at June 30, 2009 12:34 AM

Jack, oh wow thank you. Isn't that something.
Thank you Jack.

Posted by: Wild Thing at June 30, 2009 06:23 AM