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July 09, 2007

White House Debate Is Rising on Iraq Pullback

All those in our government, Democrats and rino's need to listen to Reagan's speech!!!!

Reagan - A Time For Choosing

In White House, Debate Is Rising on Iraq Pullback

White House officials fear that the last pillars of political support among Senate Republicans for President Bush’s Iraq strategy are collapsing around them, according to several administration officials and outsiders they are consulting. They say that inside the administration, debate is intensifying over whether Mr. Bush should try to prevent more defections by announcing his intention to begin a gradual withdrawal of American troops from the high-casualty neighborhoods of Baghdad and other cities.

Mr. Bush and his aides once thought they could wait to begin those discussions until after Sept. 15, when the top field commander and the new American ambassador to Baghdad are scheduled to report on the effectiveness of the troop increase that the president announced in January. But suddenly, some of Mr. Bush’s aides acknowledge, it appears that forces are combining against him just as the Senate prepares this week to begin what promises to be a contentious debate on the war’s future and financing.

Four more Republican senators have recently declared that they can no longer support Mr. Bush’s strategy, including senior lawmakers who until now had expressed their doubts only privately. As a result, some aides are now telling Mr. Bush that if he wants to forestall more defections, it would be wiser to announce plans for a far more narrowly defined mission for American troops that would allow for a staged pullback, a strategy that he rejected in December as a prescription for defeat when it was proposed by the bipartisan Iraq Study Group.

Gates has been quietly pressing for a pullback that could roughly halve the number of combat brigades now patrolling the most violent sections of Baghdad and surrounding provinces by early next year. The remaining combat units would then take up a far more limited mission of training, protecting Iraq’s borders and preventing the use of Iraq as a sanctuary by Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia, a Sunni Arab extremist group that claims to have an affiliation with Osama bin Laden’s network, though the precise relationship is unknown.

President Bush has repeatedly said that he wants as much time as possible for his 30,000-troop increase to show results. And publicly, administration officials insist that the president has no plans for a precipitous withdrawal — but the key word seems to be “precipitous,” and they appear to be recalibrating their message.

Wild Thing's comment.........

The rotation of some units is NOT going according to what we have been told by the DoD,,,Friday,July 13 2007,,, the 2BCT 10th.Mt.Div.will have been in combat for 15 months, They have been told(sometime ago)that their return time is now the middle of November,,,19 months in country,,, Why ? Nobody to replace them,,,Sept 15 is the "push come to shove" date for the iraqi army/etc. ...tipping-point ?,,, The very worst thing to do is a pull-out.

We need to put this situation into perspective:

We have been in Iraq for four years and we lost 3,500 Troops. In four years of WWII, we almost lost 500,000 Troops. During the first twenty one days on Iwo, we averaged a thousand losses a day. We have been in Iraq for four years and lost 3,500 Troops, right? Well, that is the middle of the fourth day on Iwo Jima. 52,000 fell in two years of Korea. Our bloodiest day took place in 4 hours not four years. We saw 22,000 casualties in fours hours at Antietam.

What happened to the words, 'we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival of liberty"?

I'll tell you what happened, the Demorats silenced those words and now a mess of RINOs like Lugar and Domenici are silencing those words. Along with our media, the leaders of the Demoratic Party, and the RINOs need to grow a back bone, pickup a weapon, and stand a post. We need to show our Troops and our enemy resolve.

And just one more thing.....this quote by Reagan ( not from the video)..............

"I don't think you can overstate the importance that the rise of Islamic fundamentalism will have to the rest of the world in the century ahead-especially if, as seems possible, its most fanatical elements get their hands on nuclear and chemical weapons and the means to deliver them against their enemies." --Ronald Reagan

Posted by Wild Thing at July 9, 2007 03:55 AM


Retreat: the act of withdrawing from danger.
Quit: to cease or to give up, to depart, to abandon; to resign from a job or a position. Let's play 'The world turned upside down' like the Red Coats did at Yorktown! USA... USA... USA?

Posted by: darthcrUSAderworldtour07 at July 9, 2007 05:12 AM

We are at war. But, we do not have a competant war leader. Listening to Ronald Reagan and remembering that he stuck to his beliefs for 30 years, causes me to rant against Bush. If Ronald Reagan were leading us now, we would know precisely what our goals and agenda were. He would not be appearing shoeless in mosques. He would be warning our enemy and backing up those warnings. He would positively define our enemy instead of tip-toeing around with more politically correct wordage.

The one Ronald Reagan quote by Wild Thing says more in one line than George Bush has managed to say in almost 6 years.

Posted by: TomR at July 9, 2007 06:46 AM

Why can't these damn polititions bug out and leave matters to our trusted Soldiers, Airmen, Marines and Sailors? I mean ... DANG!!!

"The bended knee is not a tradition of our Corps". - General Alexander A. Vandergrift, USMC
to the Senate Naval Affairs Committee, 5 May 1946

"They (Women Marines) don't have a nickname, and they don't need one. They get their basic training in a Marine atmosphere, at a Marine Post. They inherit the traditions of the Marines. They are Marines". - LtGen Thomas Holcomb, USMC
Commandant of the Marine Corps, 1943

Posted by: Steve Gaston at July 9, 2007 07:56 AM

President should communicate the goals, he does not.The GOP's not much help,either. So it's left to the internet to do so.

Posted by: Chris Muir at July 9, 2007 11:20 AM


What do you mean WMs don't have a nickname, sure they do. BAMs. It has always been Broad Assed Marines.

Posted by: Mark at July 9, 2007 04:06 PM

And the Army feel short, way short I am told, on their recruiting goals this last month or so...

Posted by: TexasFred at July 9, 2007 07:56 PM

My hubby is a distant relative of Thomas Holcomb.
We HAVE to stand tall and united or we shall surely fall apart.
Anyone ever play Jenga?
What happens when you remove the wrong piece?
Or if you unleash your suspenders accidentally?
Something falls down!
I don't want us to fall down. Stumbling is okay--everyone does that from time to time--we all have our klutzy moments, but we get back up, brush ourselves off and start all over again.
I think if the military fell short on recruiting, it's because of the dummycraps and the liberal media playing our military like they're the bad guys and only someone with some sort of problem joins the military. It's scaring kids from joining. That kind of slander ought to be illegal.

Posted by: Lynn at July 9, 2007 08:16 PM

This whole thing is so discouraging. I'm listening to Hannity and Colmes right now and they talk about the American people wanting to withdraw from Iraq as though that is a fact.

Dissatisfaction with how the war is being orchestrated and wanting to surrender are two different things. But they don't seem to realize that.

The Army is demoralized, when their redeployment dates are changed repeatedly and theirs no light at the end of the tunnel. When they are being forced to be carpenters and social workers instead of the warriors they were trained to be. When they feel helpless and that they have no backing. It's no wonder they have had to lower their standards embarrassingly and still aren't able to meet their recruiting goals.

This whole thing is going to make or break us and right now it doesn't look like it's making us.

Posted by: beth at July 9, 2007 09:42 PM

Darth, it does feel upside down lately.

Posted by: Wild Thing at July 9, 2007 11:15 PM

Tom, I wish so much Bush would do just that, all the things you said.

Posted by: Wild Thing at July 9, 2007 11:18 PM

Steve, it makes me sick to see this happening and how the politicians keep getting involved.

Posted by: Wild Thing at July 9, 2007 11:21 PM

Chris thank you and yes your right. Bush does not communicate the goals.

Posted by: Wild Thing at July 9, 2007 11:22 PM

Texas Fred, yes, I have heard both. That back here the enlistment is down a little, but for those serving already they are re-enlisting.

Posted by: Wild Thing at July 9, 2007 11:24 PM

Lynn, thank you and I agree with you completly.

Posted by: Wild Thing at July 9, 2007 11:26 PM

Beth your right, I have been really concerned for our soldiers and how all this has been effecting them.

Posted by: Wild Thing at July 9, 2007 11:27 PM

If you arent a Muslim, the Muslims will kill you. If you ARE a Muslim, the Muslims will kill you. So why be like the Muslims?!?!? THE MUSLIMS WILL NOT STOP UNTIL EVERY NON-MUSLIM, AND EVEN OTHER MUSLIMS, ARE DEAD! Long story-short, the Muslims will always find some "Infidel, scourge of the earth" to kill, and, eventually, after maybe another 9-11 or so America will wake-up, and finally stand togather and refuse to take it. Personally, I'd love to see the Liberals' point of view, but I can't seem to get my head that far up my ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: somebody at July 10, 2007 01:04 AM