August 08, 2007
Ron Paul vs Duncan Hunter on IRAQ - MUST SEE !
Wild Thing's comment........
I love it when I see someone stand up to the lies and cowards like Ron Paul. God bless you Duncan Hunter!
Posted by Wild Thing at August 8, 2007 12:55 AM
... how about the following GOP presidential ticket in 08 - Fred Thompson & Duncan Hunter for prez and vp? WOW! Duncan would be a good prez, and Rudy and Mitt would too. If McCain gets in - drop the nukes on Iran and Syria's borders and that's aok with me and Dr. Strangelove B-52 Is OK !
Posted by: darthcrUSAderworldtour07 at August 8, 2007 08:40 AM
It's hard to believe Ron Paul is from Texas.
Initial recruitment for the Army and Marines is down but reenlistment rates are at record numbers. For some reason, unknown to Democrats and Ron Paul, once our young men and women really know what's going on, they want to be a part of it.
Posted by: BobF at August 8, 2007 09:04 AM
Do you know Ron Paul got more money from active military and veterans than ANY OTHER CANDIDATE in last quarter's fundraising? Search ron paul military on google. He got as much as all the other republicans COMBINED. He was the only one right on Iraq (We should not have gone in, it was not a threat to our national security, and Iraq was an ENEMY of al-qaeda). He was the only one right and still gets no respect. You do know he voted to go into Afghanistan and get osama bin laden, and has tried to authorize bounty hunters to get him. Bush has had 6 years with the military and failed!
Posted by: Spud at August 8, 2007 11:38 AM
Wildthing, did you see this gem?
Why ALL Conservatives need to support Duncan Hunter - Including you, Mr. Limbaugh
Posted by: pissant at August 8, 2007 12:07 PM
If you listen to Ron Paul or the majority of democrats you'd think that we, the United States of America is a third world country on the verge of losing it all because of this War on Terror..., belay that, the war in Iraq.
They keep saying we didn't declare war, which is true, the Iraq regime was still under a condition of war since the Gulf War ended, they violated those UN mandates over and over again.
But since when can't we fight a war on more than one front. Since when do we throw in the towel when the going gets a little rough. Since when can't we out fight, out produce and out punch any other country in the world.
Ron Paul doesn't even belong up there with Duncan Hunter and, yes, John McCain. I don't like McCains politics but I do respect the man.
Ron Paul should just leave the repubs and join Moveon.org and george sorros and his bunch. Because he don't stand for me.
Posted by: Mark at August 8, 2007 12:19 PM
Trouble with Ron Paul supporters they know as much as their democrat counterparts. This amounts to about zero.
The Gulf War never officially ended. There was no surrender, it was a truce and certain condition had to be met by Iraq in order to prevent the war from starting up again.
Saddam Hussein kept violating these two aggreements which was in violation of the UN peace mandate of 1991.
Bush didn't need to declare war on Iraq since it was already in a state of Truce. Saddam was given one final mandate after 16 of them had been violated, willfully, by the Iraqi Government.
Then what Ron Paul (N)Nitwit, calls an undeclared War was actually a resumption of hostilities, dating back to the first Gulf War.
Bush also got an apporval from all of the UN and most of congress for the invasion of Iraq.
So you see SPUD, Ron Paul is wrong, or Ron Paul has a faulty memory, or simply Ron Paul is a liar.
You make the call.
Saddam had the Al quaeda symbol implanted on his own flag, he had Al Quaeda training ficilities in Iraq, he rewarded with cash money, people who blew themselves up on behave of the Jihad, ...to say Iraq was not part of the problem is either ignoring what really went on or you can believe that World Class Putz Ron Paul. Because he sure as hell doesn't have a clue.
Posted by: Mark at August 8, 2007 12:51 PM
We never declared war in the Gulf War either, and that is the point, undeclared "wars" never end! This blog says America first but you are sending our troops to enforce UN Resolutions?
Posted by: Spud at August 8, 2007 12:53 PM
Duncan Hunter probably does not stand a chance to win the primary, tho a lot can change in 8 months. It is too bad. He is a combat vet, served with the 173rd Airborne and Rangers in Vietnam. He has a son in Iraq with the Marines. Hunter has been rock solid Conservative throughout his time in Congress. He has led the fights against illegal immigration, terror and big spending. If you are really Conservative Duncan Hunter would be an excellent choice for you.
Ron Paul is a Libertarian from a very conservative district in Texas. He gets voted in via his anti-big government stance. At one time I think he was a John Bircher. Like many Libertarians, there are some aspects about him that are cultish, illogical, unrealistic, fantasy and even liberal. He should not be on the Republican slate. He gets a lot of attention because he is anti-war but not a Democrap. That appeals to a number of independents.
Posted by: TomR at August 8, 2007 12:54 PM
Mark, I respectfully disagree and ask you to read about al qaeda's origins.
"n the face of a seemingly massive Iraqi military presence, Saudi Arabia's own forces were well armed but far outnumbered. Bin Laden offered the services of his mujahedeen to King Fahd to protect Saudi Arabia from the Iraqi army.
"The Saudi monarch refused bin Laden's offer, opting instead to allow U.S. and allied forces to deploy on Saudi territory. The deployment angered Bin Laden, as he believed the presence of foreign troops in the "land of the two mosques" (Mecca and Medina) profaned sacred soil.
Shortly afterwards, the movement that came to be known as al-Qaeda was formed."
"Osama bin Laden first took interest in Iraq when the country invaded Kuwait in 1990, raising concerns the secular Baathist government of Iraq might next set its sights on Saudi Arabia, homeland of bin Laden and Islam itself. "
You see, Iraq was a SECULAR government - an enemy of islamic fundamentalists.
I don't ever want my kids sent off to enforce UN resolutions or police the world or big OIL interests. We have not declared war since WWII (When Germany declared it on us).
Duncan Hunter is forgetting Ron Paul supported Reagan as far back as 76 and supported defense in the cold war too. Let's put the defense back in defense and let the arabs, persians, and kurds fight it out for themselves.
Posted by: Spud at August 8, 2007 01:28 PM
Duncan Hunter voted for No Child Left Behind.
Tancredo and Paul did not.
Posted by: Spud at August 8, 2007 01:38 PM
Duncan Hunter has a ton of work to do to get into the race, but we'd be in good shape if he made it.
Posted by: BillT at August 8, 2007 02:29 PM
Your right again spud, we should have let Saddam have Kuwait, and nuclear weapons too. Then we could turn the whole middle east into a parking lot.
If you can't remember 9-11 is basically why we got into this in the first place, even though at the time Saddam was supporting Terrorists all over the world.
So you just keep saying that the Terrorists don't exist. And if you are real nice to them maybe they will get you last.
This is a real war, we are starting to see bits and pieces of it on all over college campii, where Islamic Moslems are demanding, just for starters, Foot bathes, and now a couple in South Carolina are claiming they are the victims of 'racial Profiling', (because everybody drives around with pipe bombs in their trunk), because they are Towel heads. In Dearbornistan, Michigan and Minnesota you are seeing the first signs of battle of their culture against ours.
So you keep your head in the sand, and keep saying this is an undeclared War. And when someone pulls you out it won't be one of us, it will be some whacked out Jihadi.
You are either part of the solution or part of the problem. Either way lead, follow or get the hell out of the way.
Posted by: Mark at August 8, 2007 02:56 PM
The Saudi's have sponsored more terrorism than Iraq. 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi. But we're selling them weapons and giving them money. Remind me why we're arming the middle east? Remind me why we armed and aided Islamic radicals to fight the Russians yet complain now that they're fighting us for taking their oil?
Posted by: Spud at August 8, 2007 03:10 PM
To Blog Owner:
I really hope you are not censoring my posts. I hope your idea of America first still includes the first amendment.
And Mark, I am leading. I'm leading for peace and freedom HERE. The republicans did it to get us out of Vietnam (despite war mongers like you who said communism would sweep to the west coast) and we will do it again.
Posted by: Spud at August 8, 2007 03:21 PM
First of all the people that comment on here on a regular basis are part of Team Theodore as one of the Marines in Iraq has called the regulars here at this blog in an email to me. That is a name he and his platoon have given to the regulars that are here each day. They have unlimited permissions to post any time and as often as they like.
For anyone else that is new to this blog I have to be here, sitting at my computer to allow their comment to be accepted. Simple as that.
I will never have it set to accept every person that wants to come here and comment which would also include the likes of Muslims feeling it is ok to make threats.
As far as censoring, yes I do and I always will. And it has nothing to do with the First Amendment, it has to do with I own this blog and pay for it, pay for the bandwidth, and the host server to be here. Just as I would censor allowing a person I did not want in my home. If you look at the top right corner of the sidebar you will see a donate button and it would be very unfair to those that donate to this blog to keep it going, then to take their hard earned generous donations and slap them in the face and let others come here and trash this place or threaten them.
Regarding your posts, I have read them and I seldom have posted about Ron Paul because this is what happens at good blogs when someone does. Pauls's followers show up and hijack a post with their comments.
This is not a Ron Paul blog and never will be.
You are more then welcome to comment as long as you show respect to those here. Exchange of ideas is harmless and sometimes can be fun. When it is not and goes into being offensive to another commenter or bashing our troops, then I will censor.
Posted by: Wild Thing at August 8, 2007 04:13 PM
Spud, I hate to tell you this guy but your Constitutional rights end at my property line. You don't have the right to exercise your religion on my property, bring pornographic materials into my house, or carry a gun on my property unless I allow it. This Blog is the property of Wild Thing and she has the right to do what she wills with it. Their's no such thing as a First Amendment when it concerns someone else's property. You can exercise your First Amendment rights by getting your own Blog. Also, if you READ the words of the Amendment, you will see that Congress cannot abridge your right. Wild Thing is a private citizen, not congress.
You say the Saudis sponsor more terrorism because 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi? Does that mean people from Lackawanna, New York, sponsor terrorism because Tim McVeigh was from Lackawanna?
Posted by: BobF at August 8, 2007 04:49 PM
Spud - Ron Paul's following is seeming more and more like a cult. He blames America for 9-11. He thinks islam is a peaceful religion(it is a cult).Like Communism, islam is bent on world domination, no tolerance for any other thoughts. They would kill you and Ron Paul in a heartbeat. How many other cults do you think are allowed in islamic countries, how many Moonies and Hare Krishnas are allowed open practice of their cults? The moslems would not tolerate you Paulies either.
Posted by: TomR at August 8, 2007 05:48 PM
This is for you: " In the face of Terror and Murder the call for peace is Not Patriotic,
As far as the Republicans getting us out of Vietnam, they tried for a peace with honor, which is better than what we got. From the Peace-brain dead democrats. Ted Kennedy and Hanoi John Kerry, betrayed their country just like they are doing to day. They are responsible for the deaths of Millions of people in South East Asia, via, Dick Durbin's favorite dictator, Pol Pot and the North Vietnamese Communists.
War monger ? Do you even know what you are talking about. The freedom you so proudly demand from the blog-owner, WT, YOUR first amendment rights, Were paid for by War mongers like me and every other Soldier, Sailor and Marine. YOUR RIGHTS, ... you haven't earned any rights, they were given to you just by virtue of being an American and paid for in full with every drop of blood and Soldier lost.
But with that you also have to be willing to give something back. If your freedom is worth living for then by God it is worth dying for.
These are just my feelings, I volunteered for Vietnam, not because I wanted to go, necessarily, but because I believed that I owed my country something. This is what I was taught as a child, and I taught my children that too. As I am sure other veterans have taught their children the same respect for their country.
So when little piss pots like you come along there will still be enough good guys left to defend your sorry ass, even though you don't deserve it.
Posted by: Mark at August 8, 2007 06:48 PM
Why is Ron Paul even running with the BIG boys?
He's not even a republican.
Good for Duncan. He's a strong candidate and I'm surprised he's not higher in the rankings.
Posted by: Lynn at August 8, 2007 08:09 PM
Bear Nation - Osama bin Laden declared war on Israel, America and our Crusader allies in his fatwah in 1998! I've read his official fatwah but the Demlibloonies don't want to READ it for when it comes to the truth... they can't handle the TRUTH! - The 2,996 souls of 9-11-01, of which 1,000 have yet to be found or identified!
Go to www.terrorismawareness.com and click on Islamic Mein Kampf & Jihad
Posted by: darthcrUSAderworldtour07 at August 9, 2007 12:01 AM
Bob, yes and I blame the left on the low recruitment. The constant bashing of our military has an effect that is negative on knowing there will be support back home.
Posted by: Wild Thing at August 9, 2007 12:19 AM
pissant, I am a huge Rush Limbaugh listener as well as Laura Ingraham and some others. Limbaugh is doing it the right way so I would not demand him to do anything at this time.
As for Duncan Hunter I think he is top notch and I just pray every day that he will do well. We need a strong, very strong leader and a conservative or America will be doomed imo.
Nice to meet you pissant and thank you for your commment.
Posted by: Wild Thing at August 9, 2007 12:24 AM
Mark I agree with you, Ron Paul makes America sound like a third world country. And thank you for all you said as well I appreciate it.
Posted by: Wild Thing at August 9, 2007 12:26 AM
Tom, I agree it is still early, Hunter is awesome but who knows what will happen in the next months. He may start to do even better and be quoted more and well I sure hope so I like him a lot.
And thank you Tom for all your comments and input here.
Posted by: Wild Thing at August 9, 2007 12:29 AM
BillT , nice to meet you. Yes I agree we would be in great shape if that would happen. It has such hope in it for America.
Posted by: Wild Thing at August 9, 2007 12:30 AM
Lynn I agree, I wish Duncan was higher in the ratings. He should be.
Posted by: Wild Thing at August 9, 2007 12:32 AM
Darth good one and Osama sure did. Thank you so much for the link too. And also for your wonderful comments.
Posted by: Wild Thing at August 9, 2007 12:35 AM
Mark this is a P.S. with my other comment to you.hahah, that is a great idea, Ron Paul should join move on Sorros people. He would fit right in with them.
Posted by: Wild Thing at August 9, 2007 12:38 AM
Wild Thing: Thank you for allowing a civil discussion, sir, and this will be my last post. I appreciate the veterans here and what they are continuing to do, and I hope they always protect the constitution from foreign and domestic threats.
Mark, I respect the hell out of you that you loved this country enough to serve in Vietnam.
I come from a slightly different upbringing. My Grandfather fought in WWII and my Dad refused to be drafted in Vietnam. He was jailed for it. I would probably not be here today if my parents always listened to what the government said was a threat.
A lot of people seem to think 9/11 changed everything. Well, I agree lots of things have changed - but I honestly do not believe the 9/11 official story. I don't see how the airplanes were not intercepted once they deviated course and I don't see how 3 buildings neatly exploded into dust due to a fire.
Any way, good luck to your boy Duncan Hunter. I would take him over any of the "top tier".
Posted by: Spud at August 9, 2007 12:50 PM
Spud, as a 26 year Air Force Veteran, I'll explain why the aircraft weren't intercepted after they deviated course.
a. First of all, contrary to popular belief, we don't have fighters patrolling our skies 24/7. It takes a little time to scramble fighters once they are notified. It isn't like Top Gun where they're sitting on the end of the runway with engines running waiting for the call. Our fighters sitting on alert were meant to intercept aircraft coming from across the ocean where we would have had plenty of notice from early warning systems. Boston to NY City is about 190 miles as the crow flies. An aircraft traveling approximately 400 mph will make the trip in about 28 minutes. By time you realize something is wrong, scramble fighters, and reach the target, your going to be viewing burning buildings.
b. Aircraft deviate from course all the time. I've seen civilian airlines land of military airfields when they've gotten off course. We even had one land at a SAC base where I was stationed. This base had five nuclear armed B-52's sitting on the alert pad at the end of the runway. Guess what, we never scrambled fighters when the plane deviated towards us, we only met it when it landed, with ground security forces, of course. Can you imagine what it would be like if we scrambled fighters every time an aircraft deviated from its course? The USAF and Navy don't have enough fighter aircraft to cover the continental US if we did that.
c. It's east right now to say we should have scrambled fighters and shot the airlines out of the sky. But, prior to the planes hitting the Twin Towers, did anybody in our government know what was going to happen? Could any civilized person conceive in the mind that extremists would hijack airlines full of innocent people and fly them into skyscrapers filled with people? Would YOU give the order to scramble fighters to shoot an American Airliner filled with American Citizens out of the shy just because they went off course? I'm sorry, without knowing their was a real threat, I doubt our pilots would have fired upon the aircraft and I doubt any superior officer would have given the order to fire. Believe it or not, were not robots that blindly follow orders.
Now, as far as wondering how the buildings "exploded into dust", I hate to say it but your sounding like Rosie O'Donnell. Jet fuel, although similar to kerosene, burns hot. The fully fueled aircraft crashed into the buildings, resulting in an explosion and subsequent fire of the probably 80 thousand pounds of fuel per aircraft. The resulting inferno from the burning fuel melted the steel main support structures in the buildings where were supporting thousands of tons of concrete and steel. When the support structures finally gave way, these thousands of tons of concrete came down upon itself, thus crushing the structure beneath it until it hit ground. Drop a couple tons of concrete and steel on a cinder block and watch it turn to dust.
Posted by: BobF at August 9, 2007 05:34 PM
Sound like the left calling this an "illegal" war. All that was needed was provided by Saddam. He refused to abide by the resolutions. And if you will recall, at the end of the first Gulf War there was no peace treaty. Saddam clearly knew the terms of the cessation and he ignored them. His dethronement should have happened under Slick Willie's watch.
Posted by: raz0r at August 9, 2007 10:00 PM
I know what architects and engineers say, BobF. If you truly love this country you should watch this architect speak: http://911blogger.com/node/10025
Posted by: Spud at August 10, 2007 12:39 PM
Spud, we'll each get an architect to say what we want to hear. Bottom line, drop a couple tons of concrete and steel on a cinder block and tell me what happens...it's not rocket science.
Look what happened when a tanker truck loaded with gas hits a bridge.
Posted by: BobF at August 11, 2007 08:18 PM